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Marco Rubio defends foreign affairs cuts and Trump's Russia talks in Senate hearing

Secretary of State Marco Rubio speaks during a Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearing in the Dirksen Senate Office Building in Washington, D.C., Tuesday.
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Secretary of State Marco Rubio speaks during a Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearing in the Dirksen Senate Office Building in Washington, D.C., Tuesday.

Updated May 20, 2025 at 11:15 AM CDT

Secretary of State Marco Rubio is defending major cuts in the foreign affairs budget as he testifies on Tuesday before the Senate committee where he used to be a member.

"America is back," he said in his statement to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. But the committee's ranking Democrat warns that budget cuts, and the dismantling of the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID), mean the United States is ceding ground to China.

"As Elon Musk took a chainsaw to USAID and you proposed cutting 83% of foreign programs, China has proposed increasing its diplomatic budget by 8.4%," New Hampshire Sen. Jeanne Shaheen said in prepared remarks. "As we move to reduce our diplomatic workforce and discuss closing U.S. embassies, China has more diplomatic missions than any other nation on Earth."

Since Rubio's confirmation hearing in January, when he appeared before his colleagues as a senator, the Trump administration has dismantled USAID. Now, Rubio is defending a $28.5 billion foreign affairs budget, about half of what it has been in recent years. He's reorganizing and downsizing the State Department and considering closing some foreign missions.

Shaheen also pressed Rubio on the administration's efforts to negotiate an end to Russia's war in Ukraine. President Trump's phone call with Russian President Vladimir Putin on Monday failed to produce an immediate ceasefire as Ukraine and its allies had hoped, with Putin instead proposing further talks.

"What Vladimir Putin is doing now is playing for time, and he's playing the president like a fiddle," Shaheen said.

Rubio rejected that, saying Trump is trying to end a war that no one can win. "Russia wants what they do not currently have and are not entitled to, and Ukraine wants what they cannot regain militarily. And that's been the crux of the challenge," Rubio said.

Republicans on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee have backed the changes Rubio is making. Republican Chairman Jim Risch of Idaho, in a previous hearing last month, said he has been "crying out" for reforms at USAID, which Risch hopes "does not survive." He supports the idea of folding what remains of it into the State Department.

Hawaii Democratic Sen. Brian Schatz has said the reforms could have been done in a more thoughtful, bipartisan way.

Rubio is "someone who, up until four months ago, was an internationalist, someone who believed in America flexing its powers in all manners, but especially through foreign assistance. And yet, he is now responsible for the evisceration of the whole enterprise," Schatz told an audience at the Council on Foreign Relations in New York last week. Schatz called on the prior version of Rubio, whom he approved for secretary of state, to "reemerge, reassert himself and save the enterprise."

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Michele Kelemen has been with NPR for two decades, starting as NPR's Moscow bureau chief and now covering the State Department and Washington's diplomatic corps. Her reports can be heard on all NPR News programs, including Morning Edition and All Things Considered.